Microsoft and Yammer?

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Yesterday’s news of the rumor that Microsoft is about to purchase Yammer surfaced and Bloomberg was able to get confirmations there were talks happening. This one seemed a little odd last evening as the rumor broke, but then the ambient signals that myself and others had been seeing with Yammer made sense in that light. Companies start acting differently, often quite off the norm, and don’t really explain why. Yammer has had that in spades lately. The other reasons besides being bought are: IPO; workforce needs (turn over, need to hire, massive wave of new hires, etc.); or large new customer(s) taking a lot of focus.

Does the Purchase Makes Sense

Talking with others who live and breath in this space, Microsoft buying Yammer wasn’t the first company many of us had on our potentials list. Microsoft has had a difficult time with Sharepoint social components (a similar problem to Oracle’s social offerings) in that the bolt together social elements take a lot of understanding and depth to get right and there is much more than bolting things together. Any company purchasing Sharepoint in the last 18 months to 2 years that has done their due diligence knows they need to find something better for the social software components than what Sharepoint offers. Too many dead ends, too much of it isn’t used.

For inside the organization there are many great options that are much easier to put into place than the social Sharepoint components, and they all plug into Sharepoint nicely. Sorting out which of the options takes a lot of understanding and depth, much of it missing from the consulting and analyst space as it is the nuances that make huge differences.

Vendors the past 4 to 5 years in the social business / Enterprise 2.0 space have had a relatively easy time selling against Sharepoint. In the last couple years social business service/platform vendors saw a shift. Sharepoint was not whom they were competing against, as it wasn’t being taken seriously by buyers who did their homework. The platform they were hands down pitching their services against and most often winning agianst was Yammer.

Yammer with its freemium model has made huge inroads, mostly through the back door. Most companies were slow to provide a good offerings and are still not providing authorized services for internal uses to their employees. This slow approach is easy to fix, just set up Yammer and you are off and running, which is great for employees, but a huge liability if it isn’t owned by the organization.

Yammer has serious traction with its claimed 200,000 companies using it (well, people in those companies using it). Yammer claims 3 million paid customers, which while a great sum for revenues, when measured against 200,000 and estimating 100 people in each company (a conservative average) you get 20 million people and only 3 million have licenses. Not an impressive conversion rate, and the multiplier is conservative. This is tough to take to Wall Street to go IPO with.

How on target is the conversion rate? When the competing vendors, nearly hands down, mention Yammer as their top competitor and they can win most of the head-to-head customers in that match-up, there is a conversion problem. Yammer shows the need, sells the value, but there are gaps in their offerings that cause them to not convert. In talking to customers who have been through that process the reasons are diverse, which make it difficult to close those gaps. The common two reasons mentioned are: 1) The value of what is paid for and what is given away for free; and 2) Some of the components are a bit buggy or don’t perfectly fit the needs.

Yammer use educates the customers for free and helped them identify needs and gaps they need to focus on when getting down to purchasing. This is a downside of large freemium models. The customers gain understanding and think, “Yes, this is good, but we want better in these areas.”

So, Microsoft and Yammer?

Microsoft has a large problematic gap to fill with Sharepoint in the social slice of their offering (Sharepoint does many things well, social is not something that fits that description other than Team Sites, but groupware for teams has been honed and iterated for 20 years, they should get that right). Yammer does the social software slice rather well, but has issues with conversion to paid customers. Microsoft is a selling machine, particularly with Sharepoint.

This sounds like a match that makes more sense. I still don’t think Yammer is the optimal fit for Sharepoint. Services like Newsgator for inside the firewall is usually a first stop for organizations needing social that works and can be deployed far more easily. I hear customers often say Microsoft suggested they use Newsgator or give it a shot.

What Impact to Other Vendors?

Many vendors should be just fine with this Yammer and Microsoft marriage if it happens. The ones with trouble would be the one’s who focus on the Sharepoint ecosystem and live off it, like Newsgator and Telligent (a more outside the org social platform strength than inside).

Other vendors that don’t rely on Sharepoint but integrate still will likely keep winning business and have very happy customers. Social is very broad and while most analysts and consultants look at features and checking them off, that is only a small slice of what to look for to get success with a service or tool. The interaction design, how it works with mobile, how easily does it integrate with other services, and many other considerations are where the key differentiation comes from.

I know many organizations with very successful social software offerings for their employees with relatively high use rates of the services, but they are using 2 or 3 different platforms that various segments of their organization use. Different cultures and personality types in the organization drift to certain offerings and not others. Organizations who are moving to the “one solution” model really struggle. Yes, there are downsides like getting everybody talking, but there are ways around that as well.

The common story I’ve heard the last couple years is the organization is going to standardize their social offering to employees on Sharepoint. The organization also had 5 to 15% of their people using an unauthorized Yammer instance. Once Sharepoint social components were rolled out they weren’t that usable and employees pointed to the much more usable Yammer and in 2 months the Yammer use doubled. Nearly all the companies know at this point they need to find a better option than Sharepoint. Now we may have Yammer and Sharepoint under one roof, or maybe not (still in talks).

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8 responses to “Microsoft and Yammer?”

  1. eekim@groupaya.net Avatar

    In addition to filling in the social gap, Yammer purchased oneDrum last year, which seems to be far superior to Sharepoint. If this happens, it would be interesting to see how oneDrum affects Sharepoint down the line.

  2. thomas@vanderwal.net Avatar

    The oneDrum purchase was interesting as it is relatively new and not as fully developed as many of the other similar file storage/sharing offerings out there. I am curious to see how it grows.

    I am not a huge fan of of one product with all things. After living through the painful CMS era. CMS with great features that were a perfect fit got bought by big CMS companies that watered the features down to the mediocre offerings of the rest of the big product.

    I am a huge fan of mix and match smaller products to fit your needs and connect. I really hope we are moving that direction and keep that adaptive model so organizations get the solutions that really fit their needs. Many organizations have 2 or 3 file/document storage and sharing solutions they are using already and are looking to select the best one or two fits for their organization to authorize fully and better integrate.

    I see a cocktail word not a neat no ice world as a best fit as it is adaptable to time and change.

  3. Reynoutvab@yahoo.com Avatar
    Reynoutvab@yahoo.com

    Would have expected Microsoft to buy newsgator as they do integrate into Sharepoint. Yammer IMHO is an island where integration in SP is low. Then take into account that a lot of yammer users have a free account but hardly use it as there is no user adoption program and we know that that is important to get everybody involved and not just the more experimental people. Third why pay $1B for an activity stream?? For that money MS could make their own. Not that hard to implement an (almost) open standard? We ll see if the rumor is right and see if yammer will be integrated into Office like Skype and Groove.

  4. thomas@vanderwal.net Avatar

    Reynout, you are dead on.

    But, what Yammer does have is a good easy to use offering that works decently out of the box (yes, it is still rather buggy), which is is something Sharepoint doesn’t and takes a lot of effort and requires skills most IT departments lack as well as lacking in most consulting, contracting, and implementation services.

    The free accounts in Yammer are missing needed depth in understanding around use and adoption, which require community managers and change management understanding in depth. The freemium model is problematic in this regard for Yammer.

    I deeply agree with regard to Newsgator as that was my first brain dead no questions asked smart move to make by Microsoft. No other service nor platform ads more value more quickly to Sharepoint than Newsgator. The tight integration is a great benefit as most organizations are trying to squeeze the most out of Sharepoint that they can due to its high cost and most see the social components as something they need to take advantage of. Once the lightbulb triggers that this social stuff is really difficult to get right organizations usually quickly turn to other options to plug-in or add on.

  5. personalinfocloud.chaska@xoxy.net Avatar
    personalinfocloud.chaska@xoxy.net

    Great analogy: business software services as a mixed cocktail world, not a neat-no ice world!

    The all-in-one solutions always end up being too expensive, unresponsive, watered-down and mediocre at everything. In the end, they get displaced as quickly as organizations can financially justify it. In too many cases, due to the high investment made, that displacement takes a very long time — which means the business buying the service slowly becomes uncompetitive itself.

    Far better to buy best-of-breed, nimble, tightly-focused services which integrate and play well with others via open standards and APIs.

  6. chris_dittrick@yahoo.ca Avatar
    chris_dittrick@yahoo.ca

    @reynout they didn’t pay $1B for an activity stream, they paid $1B for 200,000 companies on the user-list. 😉

    With that said this one will be interesting…

  7. ptaneja@hyperoffice.com Avatar

    The fact that Microsoft did not acquire Newsgator could be telling of their future strategy. Newsgator works best on top of Sharepoint, and Yammer stands on its own. Probably, Microsoft wants to keep it stand alone, and cross sell heavier MS products through integration points (Sharepoint, Dynamics CRM etc.)

  8. thomas@vanderwal.net Avatar

    Pankaj, I agree. Yammer may not be selected to fill the gaps in Sharepoint. Newsgator does that incredibly well and that loose partnership with Microsoft may be seen as working well so is keeping it running.

    Microsoft Dynamics CRM tool also has a giant social software gap and Yammer could very well fit into that gap, much like Chatter does for Salesforce.com and other CRM solution pairings.

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